OC Bob
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 03-08-04 02:17 PM - Post#38606
In response to alexander
Your correct about one thing Bud, looks like you are out. As I suspected. I am not insulting you. I suggest a street mod to people. You on the other hand drive your street mods into people. In a clear attempt to discredit me, in some way. Listen to me clearly. You cannot afford to run with me, period. And you can not discredit me, one way or the other either.
Then to prove your point, you zoom over to run ryder, and put a poll up expecting to get 100 percent result. You gloat once you get about a 100 percent result. Now this was the point I decided to challange your B.S. actions. As you can see, the poll started swinging the other way, after you started gloating anyway about getting 100 percent. And my friends have not even voted on it yet. And I won't bother getting them to vote either.
I now can and will back up everything up I say, or I won't say it period. Looks like you shook a little son. A piece of advice. Be prepared to back up anything you say, when it matters. Before you say and do things, consider the playing field, always. Hundreds of times it won't matter. But just once it might matter. That is when people usually do the most damage to themselfs.
Every once in a while you will catch a guy like me. I and others like me, won't hesitate to call someone like you to the carpet. And we won't use cute enuendo to do it either. You have just learned one of the most valuable lessons in life. Unfortunatly, you most likely don't even grasp it completely, or in it's totality.
In any case, you are the one who was insulting. On a graduated scale. Read your own posts, and your coments on that silly poll you started on run ryder. I knew when your poll was at 11 and 1, you felt like the clever one. I also knew you were about to see things can turn on you, in an instant. You even asked the question in your poll, in such a fashion as to steer the answers.
I have people who work for us like you. More importantly however, I have a lot of kids, a couple like you. They are good kids, like you. But they talk too much ocasionally. I often have to stop them from insulting people by clever enuendo, like you did with me. To equate it for you picture this.
You and I are a couple of bulls standing on a hill. We are looking over a heard of heffers below us in the valley. You are excited, and want to run down the hill and kiss one or two of them. This goes on for a while, and you can't understand why I am not as interested in the heffers below, as you are. First thing you better understand at this point, the old experienced bull is calaulating, while the youngster is dancing. About ready to loose his footing.
Finally, you can't stand my attitude. You scream out, what the hell is wrong with me. I calmly turn to you and say relax boy. As soon as I get a little air going here, we will walk down the hill, then kiss them all. If you get the meaning here. That is kind of what you did to me. I just called you on the carpet for it without question, Bud.
I will take your response as no to my deal. You don't think so yet, but you got off easy at this point for your actions. I did not insult you at all. I called your clever moves on the carpet, front and center. You want to be a good RC helicopter flyer, you better not get excited like this. You will never come close to winning anything ever.
Bob Pinto
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OC Bob
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Loc: Atlantic City, N.J.
Reg: 11-11-02
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03-08-04 02:20 PM - Post#38609
In response to alexander
Stephen,
You should let Colin finish what he started on his own.
Bob Pinto
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airbrush dude
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Loc: Howell nj
Reg: 09-12-03
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03-08-04 03:05 PM - Post#38612
In response to OC Bob
ok tuff guy, I can't go ten but, I'll go five grand. I think I can auger mine in farther and loose or destroy more parts on one attempt. using crappier equiptment and a worse setup than you ever thought possible. I will be the judge, all decisions are final. oh and send a plane to wall airport to pick me up.
c'mon daffodil, you ready for a beating? 
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alexander
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03-08-04 04:40 PM - Post#38618
In response to airbrush dude
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OC Bob
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Loc: Atlantic City, N.J.
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03-08-04 07:35 PM - Post#38622
In response to alexander
Everyone believes me Colin,
Because I always do everything I say I'll do to the letter. Just like with you. You want on the cheap? Put your money where your mouth is. I'll go down to 5000. if it helps you. It costs me that much to run an aircraft and crew up there.
You want free, I'll pay your expenses prepaid, and you come here to me. I will buy some of the forum guys airline tickets, so they can come and do fair and impartial judging. Then I'll get rotory to cover it, if they can make it.
I can back up any claim I make. And I never make many claims about anything unless required. You want a free shot now huh? Thats letting you off the hook pretty easy. Risking real money is the key for guys like you that know everything. O.K. Again, I'll foot the bill and you come here. I'll bring the guys in for judges as well. It will still cost me out of pocket 4000 to 5000 bucks, but would be worth every penny.
O.K. how much you need to get here and home again, however you wish to come. I'll prepay the trip for you and request some others on the forum here to be the judges. You can approve them as well. You may even win, if I crash. But if you loose, it would still serve the same end for me. So I'll agree to give the money thing a pass and we will do it here. I pay all traveling expenses.
Bob Pinto
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OC Bob
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03-08-04 07:59 PM - Post#38625
In response to airbrush dude
Hi Chip,
I would never even attempt a shot at you. You are way too big. I saw you go as you remember. Hell, I'll just send you the cash and save me the time.
I really like that cabin you shot for me. The blue color however blends with the sky. I need some brite colors. I'll talk to you about it one weekend.
OC Bob
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alexander
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03-08-04 08:07 PM - Post#38627
In response to OC Bob
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alexander
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03-08-04 09:53 PM - Post#38633
In response to alexander
BTW Bob, I didn't mean to discredit you or take anything away from you, just give them other options. Then you proceeded to try and take any credit away from me, by saying I was full of crap and the grip flip did nothing. You are wrong is saying that the grip flip does nothing and must not fully understand the physics and theory on delta or you would clearly see what I am talking about...instead you say that I am dumb because you don't understand delta and the effects it has 100% My dad tried to explain it to everyone, but you must have misunderstood it. Fact is...a properly setup V.1 or a V.2 will do the exact same stuff in the same hands (if they are good enough)
Colin
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alexander
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03-08-04 11:11 PM - Post#38637
In response to alexander
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The long control rod will hit the screw on the collective mixer, when running the blade grips positive. There is only two ways around this, niether is a very good fix. You can bend the rod near the swashplate. It however still hits the screw at some full collective inputs, no matter how you bend it. Also the rod flexes in flight once bent. This rod flexing shows up as slight tracking problems through hard manuervers. You can sand and file the head of the screw down, but the rod will still hit the screw some, during full collective swashplate movements.
OC,
huh...just found this in my inbox and am finally getting around to aiding your building skills. My mod looks fine to me either way below pics. You just have to know how to correctly build a rotor system up so things fit together correctly.If you go here I will give you some instruction on how to do it without bending stuff or any rubbing on bolts.This was published in glossy paper quite some time ago.
http://www.scotiabladerunners.ca/raptorimprovements.htm
Stephen
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twinsticks
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Loc: Milmay NJ
Reg: 12-17-02
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03-09-04 12:10 AM - Post#38643
In response to alexander
Hi every one
OC Bob knows exactly what he is doing.
If he says it you can beleive it..
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alexander
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03-09-04 12:24 AM - Post#38646
In response to twinsticks
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Anonymous
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03-09-04 02:20 AM - Post#38661
In response to alexander
Sign me up as an impartial observer! Shoot, if Bob's paying the airfare, I have no problem swallowing my pride and accepting a free ticket! 
Hell, I'll even bring my R30 and crash it spectacularly, just so there's no doubt that I suck, and therefore that should establish my impartiality (no ego to bruise!)
In fact, I'm so willing to come for free, that I'll even take a vote for what maneuver y'all want me to crash while attempting! I'll even whiz on the burning wreckage if we're out of fire extinguishers! 
Who wants to come with me? Jdgee? 'Dragon? We'll make it a road trip!
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airbrush dude
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03-09-04 02:39 AM - Post#38666
In response to Buddykitchen
Yeah Buddy! lets make it Bobs crash fest. yeehaa!!! 
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OC Bob
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03-09-04 03:04 PM - Post#38708
In response to airbrush dude
Ok,
Here is the deal Colin. You are saying a lot of things. Most not true. You are a young kid, wet behind the ears. I will wager the 10,000. against you. If you really think you are that clever, pick up your marbles and play. Talk is very cheap. Your photos cost nothing. Your words and rederick are pointless.
Of course you are not terified, you are insecure. You are a broke loud mouth kid. A little mouse trying to be a rat. When it comes time to pony up, all talk and no action. I left the RC helicopter hobby 26 years ago because I wanted to earn a few bucks. I also hated dealing with self proclaimed experts like you. It was people like you even back then, that had just enough knowledge to get others screwed up. When I came back to the hobby 26 years later, those mouths were all long gone. Happens in every walk of life that way. Guys like you with one track minds always eliminate themselfs.
Well, while I was gone I made a few bucks. I am willing to wager a few bucks your mod is marginal at best. In life everything comes down to money, nothing else unfortunatly. This contest as I call it, will factually prove to you and others two things. One is that you do not have enough flying ability yet, to be making any sound judgements concerning these issues. Two, that you are an insecure kid in need of an A$$ wipping.
I am not going to debate this back and forth. Action speaks louder then words. I'll let you off the hook for the money part of this. I am now fairly certain you probably can't back that up either. I will pay all the expenses for you to bring your self proclaimed expert a$$ here. I will prove to you, in front of the others who I will pay for to come also, you are just a loudmouth kid. One that does not have the experience yet to be making judgement calls about anything. Setups, equipment, and people.
As far as Youngblood, I did say one of my guys could probably out fly him now. If you must know, I would be pretty close to catching him as well to. Using a Raptor 50 with a 60 in it running .06 servos, this setup is right up there with the vigors and raptor 90's. However, he is not as good as many others on the street now anyway. Or to present the youngblood issue in a more factual way, many are getting much better then he is now. In reality, you make it sound like he is miles better then I am. That is not true. I am quite a bit better at flying a model helicopter then you are, so don't use your experience level to compare things. This is really your whole problem anyway. With the invention of heading hold gyros, and the cost to aquire them, there are many people aproaching, and passing the youngblood level of flying now. Many things are changing quickly. That is why youngblood won almost nothing last year. Nothing is forever.
So to make a long story short. I offer you the chance to show everyone, you are not just another loudmouth wanabe. If you are as good as you profess, you will get an enormous amount of exposure from this. If you are really all talk and no action, you will be screwed. You say I am nothing. I can beat you at flying on my worst day with my head mod, and will put real cash up against you to prove that. As far as your setups, they are flawed. You have based them mostly on a lack of power using the T.T. 50 engine, so your data is all flawed from the start anyway. A T.T. 50 is a good mid range power engine, nothing more. Most of what your setup information professes is outdated and incorrect for todays heavy 3D flying. That is what this whole argument is about here Bud.
Anyway yes, this is risky for you. If you are wrong it will cost you considerable credibility. It will no longer cost you real money, I understand you can't deal with that either now. The biggest and worse cost you will end up bearing will be embaresment. There is a real element of risk for you here, now that you shoot off you mouth. You could be exposed in front of others as an average talent kid. I know that you are a little better then most at flying, but you have little or no discipline. An old man knocking you down off your perch will be a problem for you in the long run. I may be all the the things you say and more. But I can afford to prove that it is you, which is all talk and flash. And it is you who is a bit afraid to provide action, to back up your rederick. I will clearly show you can not substantiate any of the claims you make. This is because your information is not credible and provides nothing of substance. You write collums based on cross referanced information to form the Colin theroy. Jumping back and foruth between real aerodynamics, and power aerodynamics, and model aerodynamics. You don't have the dignity to act in a responsible manner, concerning my mod and what I prove daily it does for the raptor. Your head flip mod is marginal at best. Your flying ability is marginal at best. This is because you have based it on the Colin self appointed expert theory. Most importantly however, your judgement about people is terribly flawed. What about it Bud?
This old man has now called your bluff. I am one you have publicly degraded. Well, I am willing to foot the bill to bring the guys here, and you here. The only risk you have is if your setups, and your flying ability are not as good as you profess, you are going to look pretty bad. It will be embarassing for you, to say the least. I promise you, it is going to be even be worse for you then that. You will be forced to look clearly at yourself, and your ideas. This can sometimes be a most frightful point in anyones life. What about it Bud? I actually hate that word "Bud". I only use it on you now to be insulting. Like young kids do, like you did with me. I am not your Bud. You better learn now, no one is going to love you through life the way you think. The more you open your mouth to impose your will on others, as you get older, the more OC Bobs will be there to knock you off your pedistal.
In any case, lets cut to the chase. I am ready, are you? Are you going to back up your words and position up? Give me iorn clad dates. Either one day or overnight. I will have plane tickets waiting for you at the counter. I will have ground transportation arranged for you. You can stay at any one of my places, or I'll put you in a suite on the boardwalk. I'll get you one of the finest hotel suites in town. No more writing and talking anymore here. You back you B.S. up and accept the challange like a man, or you crawl back into your hole. Whats it going to be? No more talking, a date. I am free always.
Bob Pinto
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alexander
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03-09-04 08:43 PM - Post#38727
In response to OC Bob
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alexander
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03-10-04 12:27 AM - Post#38745
In response to alexander
OC,
You appear to be set in your ways, inflexible to ideas outide your own box. You take offence and ignore facts when confronted. You rely on friends to bail you out without factual support and when facts go contrary to your statements you simply ignore or fail to acknowledge them. You tend to ignore proof when put in front of you. While you may not be wet behind the ears you certainly have a single minded nature and fail to comprehend new things or to understand other peoples ideas.....I get the impression over the last few days you are an unhappy person who's had his way all too often?
Many young men in this hobby can do better than either of us
with certain aspects of the hobby. I had a one sided teacher once who's ideas were always the only ones...everyone avoided his classes and learned very little nor cared to. When the young people show up at the field I don't want to be the one person they will steer clear of simply because you think being old makes you correct and gives the privilage to ignore facts presented.
I think I like wet and flexible rather than dry and brittle. 
OC buy some plane tickets I'd be nice if you came up when there was an event going on.I thought about offering to come down on your tab but you yanks are so gun crazy I think not.
Never trust anyone on the net...rule one with my children.
Making $10,000 bets with youth what have you come to.
Stephen
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airbrush dude
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03-10-04 01:14 AM - Post#38754
In response to alexander
you two monkeys are getting all fouled up, the real test would be to get someone ELSE to fly both helis without knowing which was which and see who's HELI flies better not which one of you two flies better. get me?
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alexander
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03-10-04 01:18 AM - Post#38756
In response to airbrush dude
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you two monkeys are getting all fouled up, the real test would be to get someone ELSE to fly both helis without knowing which was which and see who's HELI flies better not which one of you two flies better. get me?
100%, very good point, flying skill does not matter, I say we ship our helis of to Alan and let him decide  But I'd still like it if you came up here OC That's the first smart and useful post I've seen in a while!
Colin
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Anonymous
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03-10-04 02:05 AM - Post#38764
In response to alexander
Oh, c'mon Colin. If a man offered to pay my tickets, provide ground transportation, provide me lounging at any place of my choosing, and even let me pick the date, I'd jump at the chance! If nothing else, it's a free vacation!
Thankfully it's not me whose credibility is on the line. I'd get my a** handed to me on a silver plate when it comes to fly-offs, and I have no problem admitting it. But for all your bravado, I really think you should take Bob up on his most generous offer!
"Gun crazy"? Now that's just imature character assassination, don't you think? The more I read what Bob writes, the more I like the guy. Kinda reminds me of my dad... not one to impose his views on anything, until you start acting like a snot-nosed punk who needs his chronometer cleaned.
I'm still open for that "Impartial Observer" badge and free plane ticket if you need me! Between me and Our Man Airbrush, that'll give you two judges!
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alexander
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03-10-04 02:39 AM - Post#38774
In response to Buddykitchen
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